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The Daily Oklahoman -- March 11, 1984

"Cary Grant ready for quiz on OCU stage"

by Gene Triplett


People have been talking about Cary Grant for years.

He's used to it. Movie stars have been a favorite topic of conversation and gossipy speculation for more than 70 years.

And ever since 1933, when Mae West offered that memorable invitation to him _ ""Why don'cha come up sometime, see me?'' _ Grant has been one of the biggest screen idols of them all.

His dark good looks, clipped, faintly British accent,

self-effacing charm and elegantly witty delivery formed an inimitable, indelible image that will live forever in Hollywood legend.

People naturally wondered if he really was the carefree, sophisticated playboy he appeared to be on film, but they could only guess. Off-screen, there were only occasional glimpses of the private Grant, when one of his troubled marriages dissolved, or when his experimentation with LSD made headlines.

When a celebrity of such lofty standing takes pains to keep his personal life from public view, there's no way around it. As the title of one of his 72 films says, ""People Will Talk.''

Now, just past his 80th birthday, Cary Grant has decided to talk back.

He'll do it before a live audience at 7:30 p.m. Thursday in the Kirkpatrick Fine Arts Auditorium on the Oklahoma City University campus.

The program _ an open question-and-answer session between the star and the audience _ is a benefit for the OCU School of Music and Performing Arts, with tickets going for $75, $100 and $200.

And why is he opening himself to such public interrogation after all these years?

""I'm getting old and I don't care,'' Grant chuckled during a recent phone interview from his Beverly Hills home.

Hearing that unmistakable voice, so instantly recognizable and ingratiating, echoing from countless matinees of the past, it was hard to picture an ""old'' Cary Grant.

""When you get to be my age,'' he continued, ""it doesn't really matter what people do or say. In fact, it never really did. No one has any control over how anyone thinks or regards you.''

When he was told that many of his Oklahoma City fans were happily anticipating his visit, Grant quipped, ""Oh, well, I'll dispel that illusion.''

The Thursday event, titled ""A Conversation With Cary Grant,'' will open with a 10-minute montage of scenes from some of his most memorable films. Then the man himself will step onstage for a 60 to 90-minute chat with the crowd.

It will be only the sixth such speaking engagement he has consented to do in the last two years.

""This question-and-answer format works well for me. I enjoy it. I enjoy people and I trust they enjoy me.''

Apparently they do. During his last public appearance at Johns Hopkins University in Baltimore, a woman in the audience stood up and sang to him. The song was ""You Made Me Love You.''

""Oh yes, all sorts of things can happen at these things,'' Grant laughed. ""That's the fun of it.

""You see, I feel this way about it, and I've tried to explain this to the audience. I don't always remember to explain it because, frankly, when I walk out I haven't the faintest idea what I'm going to do or what's going to happen.

""But I try to explain that I don't wish to, nor am I capable of, imposing a speech upon the audience. One's phraseology has to be exact and precise to get their point over and I don't have any point I wish to get over.

""But I feel this way. If somebody asks a question I know somebody in that audience is interested in something, so I answer to that particular question. And I feel that an audience is usually polite.''

However, Grant admits he's wide open to some pretty personal questions.

""Oh, yeah, I get some pips! Oh, you can make a detour around them, or answer them honestly. Like I say, at my age I might just as well be honest.''

These public appearances may be the closest thing to a Cary Grant autobiography his fans will ever get, he says, because ""I'm too busy living my life to write about it.''

Grant says he also has little time to read what other people have written about him, particularly the most recent biography, Haunted Idol: The Story of the Real Cary Grant by Geoffrey Wansell, a British writer and journalist.

The book attempts to trace Grant's life from his birth in Bristol, England, (he was born Archibald Alec Leach, Jan. 18, 1904) through his teen-age years in a traveling vaudeville show, his climb to stardom in Hollywood and his 34 years in films, to the present.

The book paints Grant's childhood as an unhappy one, describing his mother as smothering and obsessive; traits that allegedly resulted in an uneasy mother-son relationship which troubled him throughout his life.

Wansell also depicts Grant's four previous marriages (actress Virginia Cherrill, heiress Barbara Hutton, actresses Betsy Drake and Dyan Cannon) as unhappy, often stormy affairs, and describes the actor himself as ""tense and haunted'' and an ""obsessive perfectionist'' who was often difficult to work with on a movie set _ a sharp contrast to the relaxed, polished image Grant always created on screen.

Asked if the author's descriptions were accurate, Grant said, ""I tell you, I have no idea. Ask the people to whom he talked. As for my relationship with my parents, I doubt if there's anyone who's living who knows anything about that or cares.''

Wansell states in the book's prologue that Grant declined to cooperate in the writing of it, but claims the actor did meet with the writer for a brief interview back in 1981.

""That might be true, but I don't remember the man,'' Grant said, obviously angry about the biography. ""He doesn't even know me.

""There's so much junk written about people. I never understand why people write these things. They keep stacks of information on you _ much of it misinformation _ and then shove it into a book.

""It just is ridiculous that Joan Crawford was beating a child with a coat hanger, or Errol Flynn was a Nazi spy, or Tyrone Power a homosexual. Now that is just thoroughly ridiculous.''

The biography focuses extensively on Grant's experimentation with LSD in the late 1950s _ long before the hallucinogenic substance became the favorite recreational drug of the '60s counter-culture.

Grant readily confirmed that he had taken the drug ""under supervision'' while undergoing an experimental psychotherapy program.

""Why does one experiment with anything, except that you hope to benefit from it.''

Grant points out that little was known about LSD at the time, and that doctors were investigating its ""psychiatric benefits.'' Grant says he reaped those benefits, and makes no apologies for his involvement with the drug.

Contrary to Wansell's portrait, Grant seemed _ at least in this brief phone conversation _ to be as affable and happy as the characters he usually played on the screen. And his memories of the business are pleasant ones _ especially his association with ""a dear man named Hitchcock.''

In fact, it was the ""master of suspense'' who persuaded Grant to come out of his first retirement in 1954. It was a chance to work with ""a gifted young actress'' named Grace Kelly as well as to collaborate once again with Hitch, with whom he had already made three of his best films.

Grant recalled his first picture with Hitch, ""Suspicion,'' underwent a change of script during its filming. In the story, Joan Fontaine is a wealthy woman married to a man whom she loves, although she suspects him of plotting to murder her for her money. Grant was brilliant as the suave yet mysterious spouse who might or might not be a killer.

In the end we learn Joan's fears are unfounded. But in the original climax, which was never filmed, Grant was indeed plotting to do her in. In the last scene, Grant was to give her a glass of poisoned milk. Just before she drank it, Fontaine would hand him a sealed envelope, just an innocent letter she wanted him to mail for her.

The film was to have faded out as we watched Grant drop the letter into a mail box. The letter, unbeknownst to the smug Grant, named him as his wife's killer. She had decided to drink the poison rather than live with a man capable of taking her life, but she had made sure he would pay for his deed.

""Oh I thought the original was a marvelous ending,'' Grant laughed.

""It was a perfect Hitchcock ending. But the studio said no, we can't have Cary Grant as a murderer.''

Looking back on his body of work, he admits ""there are some of them I wish I hadn't done.'' Two of these were the period pieces ""The Howards of Virginia'' and ""The Pride and the Passion.'' He felt out of place in these because, he says, ""I don't belong in costumes.''

He was always more at home in light, contemporary comedy, which is where his fans preferred him as well.

And as for his retirement 18 years ago, still at the height of his popularity, he has no regrets.

""I chose that particular time, first and foremost, because I had made my greatest production _ I made a daughter. I mean, I was involved in half the manufacturing, at least.''

The co-producer of that blessed event, named Jennifer, was his fourth wife, Dyan Cannon.

It was Grant's first child, and he was determined to spend as much time with her as he possibly could. He decided there wasn't enough time in his life to be a father and a film actor. So he gave up the latter.

Now happily married to his fifth wife, Barbara Harris, a former public relations specialist from Great Britain, Grant says he's content with his home life and his business involvements, which still keep him active.

""I enjoy what I'm doing now. I'd never go back. I live in reality. Of course, making a film is reality in itself, but what you're making is not real.

""You can never go back,'' he said. ""It's not possible. I could make another film but I'd be playing a different man. People are used to me as a certain kind of fellow and I can't make that film anymore.''

But, listening to him talk, one begins to think Cary Grant, at age 80, is selling himself short.


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